Drat! I seem to have come to the wrong place again.

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Well ok now please enlighten me in 2 thes 2.

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Thanks Mr. Snowman for putting this in itā€™s correct context.

I hope it helps to stop this flood of confusion. :crazy_face:

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Genesis 22:12
[12]And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.

Well God says here now i know. This is not until after. So that means he didnā€™t know until he observed faith and action.

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I have to ask, what is your end game here?

If your interpretation of scripture is that you can willfully sin and live a lifestyle as you wish , and you are covered by what Christ did on the cross, and you are still saved, then you are preaching to the choir.

We all believe in Christ and what He did on the cross. That is why we are here.

The fact that we believe living a righteous lifestyle, avoiding the things labeled sin in scripture to the best of our ability, means we are going one step further than what your interpretation requires of us to do.
Why try to convince us of something we are already doing above and beyond?

The same with the rapture. If we donā€™t believe in one, so what. We are still saved and will be invited to the wedding feast. We never said a rapture believer wonā€™t be saved either. We just prepare for the tribulation. If those donā€™t, it wonā€™t affect us one way or the other.

Same as the sinful lifestyle. If you want to believe that you can willfully sin and be covered by the blood of Christ, go ahead. If we are wrong, we are still saved and at the wedding. If you are wrong, you are not.

Why would anyone want to argue for the right to live a lifestyle that scripture calls sin? It is like an atheist arguing about a God that they donā€™t even believe exists.

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Wrong!

And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

Long before he went to lay thine hand upon the lad.

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So is God a liar? Why did he say now i know?

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Who said Iā€™m not 'living a righteous lifestyle, avoiding the things labeled sin in scripture to the best of our ability '? The difference my friend is that you are claiming your efforts in this field are what saves you.

Therefore you are barking up the wrong tree, and always in doubt as to whether you have done enough works to be considered saved (How much works is needed would you say? Endure to the end perhaps). How sinless do you have to be? (Or do you consider yourself without sin?).

We are saved by grace, it is a gift, there is no need to work for a gift, else it is no gift. ā€¦

And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

You are guilty of pride, in believing it is yourself that should be applauded for your salvation cos it is by your works as a believer you say you are truly saved. Know ye not that it is YOU who will be told ā€˜depart from me I never knew youā€™.

I have found that trying to dissuade Lordship salvationists from being beguiled is generally of no use, Hence I ask why should I consider remaining here? And still await a reply.

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Because i like to talk with you. We have many subjects to cover :grin:

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Apostle! Reallyā€¦

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Well once saved always saved right? Heā€™s good eternaly!

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If he truly believed and trusted yes. Though that seems doubtful by his behaviour, but we donā€™t know for sure, only God knows. Though he will be chastised if heā€™s not a bastard. As well as foregoing heavenly rewards,

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Well you saw the video. He said 30 years so he believed. Thatā€™s what you said just believe. So hes Good. from there 30 years ago. Whoa now behavior is works!! None of that matters just believe.

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This has been fun. What subjects would you like to talk about next? Throw some topics out

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What people say and what they do are often different.

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You find it fun to be ridiculed lol.

You have failed miserably to adequately rebuff anything I have said.

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But Iā€™m confused. You said just believe and thatā€™s it. You are good for life no matter what you do or think moving forward.

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Ive given way more scripture than you. You give 1 liners. Ive given chapter break downs.

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You carry on working out your own salvation with works.

Iā€™ll put all my hope and trust in Jesus for my salvation.

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I will keep following what the Bible says.

What other subjects you got?