Has anyone else come to the conclusion that the term Gentile, translated into the text, is a false and bias, almost racial term?
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I had a work on this subject, which I removed from the site sometime ago, I just wanted to rework it. Below are some of the Strong’s definitions from the Old and New Testament that I noted in that work.
I’d like to mention, “gentile” predominately means,
“foreign (opposite of Israelite), heathen, nation, people.”
I’d agree if you’re saying, the word should just be translated into the proper context instead of “gentiles,” which becomes ambiguous when we’re talking about the Old or the New Testament, and then we have this…
Gen 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.
“Gentiles” here simple means “nations.” It’s referring to the Adamites, not any other people. Moreover, if you look at the Strong’s word here for “gentiles” and “nations,” you’ll find it’s the same Hebrew word H1471, “gôy”.
All we’re talking about is the nations of the Israelites in that verse.
Gentiles: G1484 – found in 87 verses
- Probably from G1486; a race (as of the same habit), that is, a tribe; specifically a foreign (non-Jewish) one ( usually by implication pagan ): – Gentile, heathen, nation, people.
Gentiles: H1471 – found in 28 verses
- Apparently from the same root as H1465 (in the sense of massing); a foreign nation; hence a Gentile; also (figuratively) a troop of animals, or a flight of locusts: – Gentile, heathen, nation, people.
Gentiles: G1672 found in 6 verses
- From G1671; a Hellen (Grecian) or inhabitant of Hellas; by extension a Greek speaking person, especially a non-Jew: – Gentile, Greek.
Gentiles: H2800 found in 3 verses
- The same as H2799; Charosheth, a place in Palestine: – Harosheth.
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I agree. The word Gentiles in the original text is peoples and nations is indeed nations. Same word. Goy H1471.
The word H1471 is used for all the offspring from the 3 sons of Noah.
I would agree that they are Adamites but not Israelites since Abraham came from the other son of Noah, Shem.
God’s promise to Abram was He would make of thee a great nation. Goy 1471.
If God was talking about all the nations from Abraham, they were all called Goy. If He was referring to the Israelites, they were called Goy, 1471.
Chapter 17 he would be a father of many nations, Goy 1471.
Chapter 18:8 referrers to all the nations of the earth being Goy 1471.
To me, there is no distinction between the future Israelites and the other nations as far as a term used by God. 1471 is used throughout the Old Testament by the Prophets.
The same is done in the New Testament, Nation is Ethnos, and Gentile is substituted.
Ethnos and Goy mean the same thing.
I believe Gentile is always used in the plural except where it was mistranslated which should have been Greek 1672, non-Jew. (Romans 2:9-10) To call someone a Gentile is calling them a nation.
The word ethnos is substituted with pagan, heathen, and the word nation is used sometimes for foreigner.
It appears the word Gentile is misused just as the word Jew, to show a distinction between the so-called chosen people of God.
Gentile is used with the flavor of inferiority which is the same attitude that we see in the Pharisees and out of Israel today.
When Peter said it was unlawful to unite or come near a foreigner, by who’s law? The Pharisees. That seemed to be the big problem.
My understanding is in the Greek language there is no word “gentile”.
By looking at the Old Testament, it appears to me that the Lord did not label His creation with derogatory terms such as this when things got started. It seems that this attitude got started and is still in existence today. If anything, the Israelites were worse than the “gentiles”.
The Jews today call the non-Jews Goy, which is ironic.
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I agree Brandon but the statement you made that the Israelites were worst than the gentiles is unfounded. The mixing with other nations and following there gods was the major problem. King David’s son, Salemo, is one of the best examples. Conclusion is that they learned all the wrong things from the gentiles/nations.
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I say this because the Israelites were privileged to have the law and the direct guidance of the Lord while the other nations did not. Chosen to take His word and be an example to the other nations, which they did not.
They knew better but they still rejected the Lord.
2 Chronicles 33:9
1 Corinthians 5:1
The parable of the 2 sons.
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Just commenting to let all of you know that I enjoyed reading this topic. And it’s funny…I think I remember reading Brandon’s study on this way back.
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You’re right, I made a mistake. The Israelites were worse than the Gentiles but as you can see in 2Chron33:2 they got it from the Gentiles and just escalate the evil. Two questions: How can the Gentiles do evil if there was no law? How can Abraham be called righteous with no law and many more examples?
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I think this is where the nations get a bad rap, and the word “gentiles” is used as a derogatory term. The option to do evil is everywhere. The option to do what is right is instilled in us. People think the Israelites were better than the other nations and they have become high minded in that belief.
The ability to do good or evil is within us. Flesh. If we isolate ourselves from others, eventually the opportunity arises in which we have to make the choice between the two. Hezekiah set the example for Manasseh but he chose to do evil.
If we eliminate the 8th day creation, and evil is learned, where did it come from? From themselves.
When Cain killed Able, he didn’t get it from the Gentiles. When Ham slept with his mother, he chose that for himself. Was Laban’s dishonesty learned or plotted within himself?
Mic 2:1 Woe to them that devise iniquity, and work evil upon their beds! when the morning is light, they practise it, because it is in the power of their hand.
I think the degree of being better or worse lies within the decision to obey or not according to what is learned regardless of where it comes from.
Sin is still sin but was it always imputed?
God overlooked these things due to ignorance. Acts 17:30. The law was to show we needed a savior and how fallible we are. Galatians 3:24. It was to be used for a preparation for the relationship we would have with God. This was the single job of the Israelites, take it to the nations, and they choose their own way.
Paul also talks of the law of nature, natural law. Romans 2:12-15.
By believing in what God told him and obeying His commands, and he had faith what was told him would come to pass. Hebrews 11:8.
Abraham was a just man, which I believe shows he followed the natural law within himself that God puts in all of us. God knew his heart and chose him for the future events.
He was 99 when the promise was given and in faith, he was circumcised 
along with Ismael being 13 and the rest of his house and servants.
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Good job here @sNOwflakes.
I know you quoted it, but it’s so important to the discussion I wanted to include the verse here. Before the law, or before someone ever, and if they ever heard of the law… Think some unknown people - essentially - their conscious was a law to them.
Romans 2:14-15
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
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Okay let’s just do one topic at a time. See you got plenty of time on your hands. LOL. Israel was never chosen as a nation but a promise to Abraham, Isac and Jacob because they were righteous. Israel was mixed with multitude of people when they went out of Egypt and so on. Why were they worse than the other nations, because they were luke warm where the nations were cold. Most of the nations did not believe in God so they were cold where Israel set their idols in the temple (2Chr33:7 and more) and worship many gods and God. You said nations got a bad rap, who do you classify are Israel today?
Not sure what you mean when you say, “If we eliminate the 8th day creation, and evil is learned, where did it come from?”. Gen2v1-3 clearly states all creation was done. Fourth commandment Exo20v8-11 again 6-day creation and seventh day rest. Lev23V3; Deut5v12-15; Heb4v4 and more. Nowhere in the Bible mention the 8th day creation and the only verse that mention an 8th day is a festival Sukkot what you do not keep. This day symbolize the time after the final judgement. Last thing, the first evil/sin came from Satan.
Well, I have the same universal clock. These discussions are good and was the intention of the creation of this site. 
I agree the original promise was made to Abraham but the future reason, through him, God needed a bloodline for Christ as well as a nation of priests to take His word to the world. (Isaiah 49:6) Isaac not being born yet, if he would have turned like Manasseh, not sure what plan B would have been.
This almost happened before Moses got them to the promised land. Exodus 32:9-10.
Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
Holy H6918 = Usage: The term “qadosh” primarily denotes something or someone that is set apart for a special purpose, often in relation to God.
Deu 7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
They were also warned to not be high minded which we see today. Deuteronomy 9:4-5.
I agree but they had to convert and follow the word of the Lord, called Proselytes. We know Caleb, being one of the two originals, that were allowed into the promised land, his father was from the evil tribes that were to be killed off. (He had to be around 40 when they left Egypt)
This was the whole reason for their nation, be priests, to bring the peoples, nations, into the belief of God. When the Egyptians saw the power and miracles performed, how could some
not?
The warnings of Christ, which can be applied throughout, was to the church, HIs representatives. To be cold (implies a state of being that is devoid of warmth, enthusiasm, or passion) while hot (implies a state of being fervently passionate or intensely committed).
To me, to be cold toward God, you would have to have knowledge of Him to begin with. I would say it was not that they didn’t believe, they didn’t know, were never introduced.
When the Israelites were chosen to be priests, the nations, at that time, had no idea of who God was. (Exodus 7:5) Man always had the need to worship something. We see this in Acts where Paul addressed the men of Mars hill.
I don’t see it as a better or worse. You either do what is right or you don’t. But this only started after the introduction of the law and the knowledge of the true God.
This is why I say that the nations, deemed Gentiles, (used in a derogatory way) were looked down on since they were not “The Chosen”, as if Israel were chosen since they lived a higher standard, which we know they did not. They had all the advantages, but most threw them away.
God Himself called all nations, Goy.
That depends on what definition is used for Israel, same as Jew. There is bloodline Israel, geographical Israel and spiritual Israel. There has been more nonsense established within the incorrect usage of these terms and how they apply after Christ went to the cross.
From a logical standpoint, all the offspring on Jacob, especially since they have mixed themselves for over 2000 years are not living aside of Gaza.
We will have to agree to disagree on this.
Modern science tells us that not all the peoples, nations, came from one pair of humans. This would have had to happen twice. The first with Adam and Eve and the 2nd with Noah and his wife if the global flood is believed.
This is where different hills are constructed to fit into the belief. One being the DNA was changed at the tower or somehow through time, Adams offspring changed to what we have today which is nothing short of evolution.
No matter which side one falls on, it is not a salvational hill to fight on. Same as the rapture. My point earlier was that, if Israel learned sin from the gentiles, then the Israelites are the gentiles they learned it from. The whole earth should and would be one race of people if we all came from Adam and Eve.
If this is true, it did not happen on the earth. The first commandment given on earth was Genesis 2:16-17. Before Adam’s rib was taken. Thus, the first law given and then broken.
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