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“Running for the tin foil?” Saying this tells more about you than you currently understand. Your reference to the “tin foil” means that we who believe Bible doctrine are “conspiracy theorists” who wear “tin foil hats” and such responses demonstrate your dislike of the Doctrine of Imminence or the Rapture of the church.

It is also called ad hominem attack or criticizing the person who holds such views which differ from your own. It is also a form of passive/aggressive behavior and demonstrates your desperation of holding to your own view rather than looking deeply and carefully into another’s which is obviously been the case for you, resisting not only the truth of Bible doctrine but RIDICULING IT.

You didn’t read any of the comments which I wrote, and if you insist that you had read them, it is clear that you merely skimmed them and didn’t CONSIDER them for if you did, you would have given Bible references which support your own view the lack of which is also disingenuous in matters of debate.

In all my debating this subject over the years, the Rapture deniers share several key points; the IGNORE 1 Thessalonians and 1 Corinthians 15:51; they use only Matthew 24 (which is textually obvious that it isn’t written to us in the age of Grace but to the Jews during the time of tribulation) and no other Scripture to back up their assertions.

The Bible doctrines which we, as faithful believers in Jesus Christ understand are SCATTERED throughout Scripture and are embedded in types and shadows from Genesis to Revelation; " For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: Isaiah 28:10

With all of this in mind, if you are interested in debating this or any other Bible topic with me, I would be happy to engage in civil, respectful dialogue. As I said earlier, I am head over heels in love with the TRUTH. It is what I live for. How can one learn the truth of any matter unless they understand BOTH SIDES of the debate?

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Debate on everyone, but yes, let’s keep it civil.

Let’s all remember, while we have different beliefs, more binds us together than separates us. We’re all Christians. :folded_hands:

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. and the dead in Christ shall rise first: who are the dead in christ?

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Apparently, you don’t understand my sense of humor, and that’s okay. It’s called laughing at life.

Time is better served getting people saved then swaying them to the rapture doctrine when we will all be with Christ at the same time.
And fear not, those who have prepared for the post tribulation gathering will guide others through it, in case it doesn’t happen pre-tribulation.

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I’m sorry brother, I’ve four kids to raise. I haven’t got any spare time.
I respect your point of view, and I don’t want to win any fight. It’s is just the rapture doesn’t sound logic to me. It’s always what Bran, Snowy and all what makes sense to me, with Scripture in the hand, of course.
Keep your fight brother, I’m sure Christ regard you in your sowing the seeds of Truth.
Best regards

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The dead in Christ are just that. Those who had been saved, believed the Gospel and were saved by the Shed Blood of Jesus Christ and had died. Every believer that has died since the time of the Crucifixion of Christ until the time of the catching away of the saints, i.e. the Rapture will rise first, then we who are alive at that time (coming very soon, any minute actually) will follow them to meet Jesus in the air. There are those who will never die, did you know that? Did you also know that WE may be among those Paul referred to in 1 Corinthians 15:51? " Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
I sometime become overwhelmed at the fact that I, if it’s God’s will for me, may be among those that never sees death! And you too, if you’re saved you may be one of the very few of mankind that has been predestined NEVER TO DIE! This is part and parcel of the Doctrine of Imminence or the Rapture of the church. I’m doing what Paul said to do in 1 Thessalonians 4:18 and comforting one another with these words! To know and understand the Rapture is a GIFT of God but to know it one must STUDY HARD. One must not hold another’s worldview about anything but must seek truth for themselves and every bit of this quest for truth must be seen through the lens of the Holy Bible. The Doctrine of Imminence is scattered throughout Scripture. Look at Isaiah 26:20. “Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.” This Scripture shows how God doesn’t intend to pour out His WRATH on His children who are indwelled by the Holy Ghost, it would be like pouring His WRATH out on Himself! And He did that ONCE and one time only at the Cross of Calvary. I just want to share the joy of His Appearing (Titus 2:13) with ALL my brothers and sisters and to help them to understand that we will not suffer the WRATH He will pour out on this world. Read Revelation chapters 8-10 and Isaiah 24 and imagine the horrors of all of this. Nothing has ever been like it and nothing will ever be like it again. God’s WRATH POURED OUT FULL STRENGTH. And, after the 7 year tribulation, we who went up with Him 7 years prior will come back with Him all of us on white horses. " And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean." Revelation 19:14 KJV

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Can you explain creation?

Thanks

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Not any better than Genesis does. (and Colossians 1:16-17) What did you have a question about?

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Please, take a few minutes and read the following carefully. Also, I don’t refer to the debate of Bible doctrine as “fighting”. That is the very last descriptor I would use. Let us rather say we are, “cutting through to the Truth by careful examination of the Scriptures.” We are surrounded by lies in this world because it belongs to the father of lies. In this age, many of these lies are coming from pulpits. That’s why I suggest learning by studying the Bible FIRST.

And I know that this world can keep us so busy that we neglect the [much] weightier things but the Bible says something about this also. Respectfully, in Jesus Own words, “If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.” Luke 14:26. In other words, if we do not put Jesus FIRST, we can’t actually follow Him and benefit from all of His Promises He gives to us throughout Scripture, some of my favorite, being Psalm 91.

I do not believe Jesus said that we cannot be SAVED without putting Him first but that we cannot be His disciples. The Bible teaches us that Jesus’ disciples followed Him everywhere He went, seeking only Him and more of Him. He was number one in their lives. I have been in both positions; i.e. I have been, since being saved, a casual Christian, loving this world and it’s stuff, and I have been a disciple and I still am. I can say that there is literally NO comparison in my life between putting Jesus FIRST and the benefits of being a disciple are many. There are very few people, even among the Christian community, that could define the predicates of discipleship, falling within the strict mandates this word connotes but there are some.

God told us to be fruitful and multiply, right? I see you have done and/or are doing this, that’s good. But I don’t think that God meant for those multiple children to become a distraction away from HIM. Everyone gets 24 hours/day, that’s just the way it is. You can budget your time so that you don’t have to neglect studying the Bible. The next part of the verse I quoted above, Luke 14:28 says,

"For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it ?

Jesus was comparing this to US. Before receiving salvation, how many of us really thought about what it would cost? I know I didn’t but as my relationship with the Lord grew, I learned along the way but the example shows us that following Him COSTS us many things in this world.

I’ll conclude now but let me leave you with this. If Jesus really and truly is the Way; the Truth and the Life (John 14:6) as we know He is, what could possibly be MORE important in this life than devoting every bit of it to Him? I think that if you set out to become more Bible savvy and educate yourself in the Scriptures (diving deep) and you arranged your time appropriately, you will find that not only do you have the time to read and study and pray but you have TIME TO SPARE. If you put Him FIRST in your life and trust in Him to help you with the details of your life, He will MORE than oblige you and your family will benefit as well.

Consider a Bible study in a group. Look up Chuck Missler on Youtube. His ministry is called Koinonia House and he organized an “at home” Bible study course that you can follow along. He is now with the Lord but His ministry and teachings are still online. Include your wife AND kids (if they’re old enough) and raise them up in the fear and admonition of the Lord and you’ll look back on a life well-lived! That is, if Jesus tarries much longer. All signs say that THIS is the time we have been waiting for. Peace brother Rodrigo, I’ll be praying for you and your family.

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Oh, thank you for such detailed response.
I think you must be jubilee ha ha,
I put Christ first in my life, of course. Without Him I’m sure I’ll be dead my now.
And the sleepless nights i often have, i seek Him through Scripture.
Chapter by chapter, precept upon precept. Line upon line.
You have very interesting insights.
God bless you.

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Hey the answer in the former post

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Can you break down gen 1 for me?