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This reader is responding to a recent post…
“Brandon, you said in the article about two tribulations: Gods wrath is part of the same tribulation. I have to disagree. Wrath comes at the same time seals and trumpets end. BOTH ARE HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME!”
Let’s talk about it!…
My opinion on the verse below is the key word is **judge. ** Judgement comes at the end which is what they are asking. The wrath comes to the whole earth for those who side with Satan, then after the 7th and the arrival of Christ, the judgement starts, including the nations. The Lord’s wrath was poured out all through scripture but the final judgement on those that received it didn’t happen yet.
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Another reason I say this is that some of those who killed the prophets are already dead including those who had Christ sent to the cross. Many participators would have died of natural causes and haven’t received any wrath on earth or their judgement.
The seals are like the game plan of a football game. Christ is our coach, and He is the only one that was allowed to open the playbook to seal the plan into us, His team.
The trumps are the actual plays in action and the vials are the penalties throughout the game.
I have noticed, that many people think activity (trump activity) takes place as quickly as they read about it. Now, the change in bodies at the last trump, we can pretty well understand that to actually be 'in a twinkling of the eye". But there are a couple of things we will see right before that…such as God knocking the oncoming weapons at hamongog/Armageddon (i think those 2 events) down (sounds like we are suppose to actually see that). So how would we see that and how long would it take for us to see it? Is it just implanted(like a download) in the brain or what?
I would think anything that happens over there during that time would be televised or something of that sort. Just like the 2 witnesses laying for 3 days, it says all nations and tongues will see that event.
It is going to be an exciting time if we are still here.
I truly am eagerly awaiting for it to come. Today I went to the mall and in just 10 minutes we saw 4 lesbians, I’ve never go out except for to buy food. The state of society is at its lowest.
It Is repugnant.
I have to share this…
The reader responded to my answer via email:
Name: Harry Franklin Chamberlin
Question: You said: So then, when the Fifth Vial is poured out, it’s poured out on the Devil’s kingdom (on earth), which happens as the Trumpets are sounding, which happens during the Tribulation.Because you say so??? You offer no proof of that. You just say it so it must be.
You also say:So then, when the Fifth Vial is poured out, it’s poured out on the Devil’s kingdom (on earth), which happens as the Trumpets are sounding, which happens during the Tribulation. Again, you offer no proof. ALL of the wrath is poured out on Satans kingdom and those who rejected Christ. That doesn’t prove that the wrath is being poured out while the trumpets are blowing.
All I see is “I said it so it is so”
Answer: Harry,
Why are you being like that?
If you disagree, simply say you disagree and provide some Biblical evidence for it. Don’t treat a brother like trash because you’re upset with the answer. Why become hostile?
Aside from that, I provided proof. I provided the verse for the 5th Vial. It’s clear, that Vial is poured out during the Trumpets.
Look…
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
And…
Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
Does that not describe the same thing?
I believe it does, I believe it describes the conclusion of the Tribulation. If you disagree, no problem, but don’t become hostile with a Christian brother who is trying to answer your question.
I received more nasty grams, as it turns out, he believes in the rapture. Folks, don’t become like this guy. Don’t become a corrupt Christian, as you corrupt our faith. When you respond to people like this, no one is going to listen to you, and you mock our faith.
If you mock our faith, you help to destroy it like Satan. This is why so many non-believers have such disdain for Christianity. Christians are not presenting themselves to the world as Christ presented Himself.
Set your egos aside and place Jesus Christ first.
I know it is early in the morning, still having my coffee.
Wouldn’t the fact that the 1st vial is poured out on those who have the mark of the beast tell us that the system, with satan, is in full swing and then the 5th is poured out on the actual system?
Even if there is a rapture, and there is not, those believing in one would be gone but the vials would still be poured out on those who were left. This would have to be during the trumps since the final battle did not take place yet, Armageddon.
The kings are still organizing for this war which only concludes when the 7th is blown. The so-called rapture could not happen at the 7th because they would still be here for the tribulation unless you twist the trumps and vial around like a Rubix cube, as some do.
Edited to add, why argue about something when you think you won’t be here anyway. It is like an atheist fighting about a god they don’t believe exists.
Wow. There are so many differing views on this entire subject! Since there are very few who believe the very words of Jesus Christ which say “Gather ye together FIRST THE TARES” Matt. 13:30-43, Proverbs 2:21-22, 2nd Tim. 3:16-17, Amos 3:3, Isaiah 8:20) and so many other Scriptures such as “MUST Shortly come to pass”, “The time IS AT HAND”, “to SHOW unto HIS SERVANTS”, and Matt. 24:3-34, I am not sure what to say here.
I’m sorry, I don’t want to win a fight, I’m not even English so I understand what I can, but each and every time one person tries to impose his truth here on this forum it always sounds wrong to me. And Bran and Snowy the only thing that expose is The Word of The Lord…
Sorry fellows nobody can win against God.
But keep trying or better, ask The Lord for wisdom and understanding.
Blessings